New ways to a better world
The Corona crisis forces us to reflect on the essentials and at the same time holds the chance for a new beginning. Together we set out into a new era in which we, our children and all the children of the world can live in peace and prosperity - in harmony with nature. In 20 years of research, the Gradido Academy for Economic Bionics has succeeded in developing a new monetary and economic system that promotes all people to develop their full potential to solve the burning problems of humanity once and for all.
Michael Märzheuser and Bernd Hückstädt talk about how it all began, the fatal flaws of the old financial system that have been solved, and why it's not just the poor who will benefit from Gradido, but the rich as well. [39:20]
Transcript ( automatically translated )
[00:00:00] Cycle of life as an economic model.
[00:00:06] The circle of life as an economic model - exactly! A common good currency as a concept of happiness.
[00:00:14] Sounds good, I haven't heard that before. Yes, today is premiere day.
[00:00:23] For the first Gradido podcast.
[00:00:26] We are reporting from Künzelsau, the headquarters of the Gradido Academy, the Institute for Economics.
[00:00:35] Künzelsau is a small contemplative district town of the Hohenlohekreis is in the Franconian-influenced northeast Baden.
[00:00:45] By the way, the Künzelsau is also known for the screw empire is one of the largest family businesses.
[00:00:55] And also by gradido the natural economy of life for prosperity and peace in our world and in harmony with nature.
[00:01:06] For more than 20 years, the Munich Academy of Economics has been researching a new economic, financial and monetary system.
[00:01:17] This was made possible by the two founders and developers Margret Baier and Bernd Hückstädt.
[00:01:23] With their groundbreaking idea from the natural cycle of life.
[00:01:30] Evolutionary economic bundle monetary system to develop.
[00:01:34] Against the backdrop of the Corona Crisis which has fundamentally changed ours in a very short time.
[00:01:42] Economic bionics innovative solution-oriented answers to existential questions of our time.
[00:01:51] Bernd how did it all start at Gradido how are you.
[00:01:58] Margret and you at all came to take a closer look at the success models of nature and to draw conclusions for a new worldwide economic and monetary system,
[00:02:13] that can prevent war and poverty how did it all start 20 years ago yes what was actually ultimately your intention.
[00:02:23] And the intention was to find out where this actually comes from that we on the one hand have this.
[00:02:31] Have insane wealth and on the other hand this quite catastrophic poverty worldwide.
[00:02:37] And met 20 years ago we were both.
[00:02:43] With the topic on the way so Margret has lived among other things also in slums in Ecuador with,
[00:02:50] I've been asking myself these questions since I was a kid and I didn't get any answers back then and they've never left me,
[00:02:58] and when we both got to know each other we realized we wanted to do more research together on this topic.
[00:03:07] Then we found out that we didn't get any further with the normal logical thinking until we realized.
[00:03:17] Nature, after all, has been functioning for over four and a half billion years, bringing life forward in abundance.
[00:03:27] And that was suddenly clear to us yes we have to look what is nature doing right.
[00:03:33] And in comparison to that, what do we humans do wrong, if you will, that we are constantly destroying life,
[00:03:40] that's when bionics came in.
[00:03:43] as a guiding idea in play bionics biology and technology yes already in the 16th century he thought Leonardo da Vinci flying machines modeled on the bird flight
[00:03:57] and so he's sort of considered the forefather of bionics and that's what your approach was ultimately,
[00:04:03] that's exactly our approach to look at how nature works that's what Leonardo da Vinci did,
[00:04:11] and has been able to develop wonderful constructions modeled after nature,
[00:04:18] that's what almost all engineers do nowadays for example the flying machines so the airplanes are modeled on how bird flight works.
[00:04:29] Where is even less is being done right now is in the area of business.
[00:04:34] This area of business bionics is still a relatively young field and that just appealed to us to look at now.
[00:04:44] How for example does nature work how does it do that it constantly brings forth life how does it do that I constantly grow my economy would like to grow me yes,
[00:04:59] but on the other hand something very important is forgotten that in nature to grow also belongs the transience and only when you bring this cycle.
[00:05:11] Then we can really develop sustainable models.
[00:05:17] So we sort of have laws of nature,
[00:05:21] natural processes and they serve as a model for successful economic processes so that's exactly the approach to look at,
[00:05:35] these processes in nature how can you transfer those you can't transfer everything one to one of course because,
[00:05:42] we humans are a special species we are not like all other animals that means you can always just look at what works in nature,
[00:05:53] and what can be transferred from that to our society to our economy to our coexistence and humans are also a bit more than animals.
[00:06:03] We are special TV bionics against world economic crisis how do you have to imagine it is now the hour of economic bionics so to speak.
[00:06:17] Now it becomes clear that the old system can't work like that.
[00:06:26] It was clear to us 20 years ago that this can't work in the long run and that it has to crash,
[00:06:32] how of course then such a crash looks like we couldn't say beforehand we just knew there will be a crash or something like that,
[00:06:42] and yeah now we're in the middle of the corona crisis where what are you talking about is pretty much everything is being driven against the wall and it's all because of a tiny little virus.
[00:06:56] So the.
00:06:57] The global economic crisis not only creates the need for rethinking, but also highlights the fragility of the prevailing economic and financial system.
[00:07:09] Exactly we have in the economic system yes by the fact that it is built on exponential growth.
[00:07:17] You just need fragility to mean something other than fragility,
[00:07:21] a system that only moves in one direction must necessarily be fragile, that is, fragile, whereas nature is all about balance, that is.
[00:07:34] Just like trees for example in the wind in the storm stay quite strong.
[00:07:39] Can sway back and forth or blades of grass that elasticity the power nature.
[00:07:47] While we humans have our difficulties to build for example a tower that has to have a lot of statics and a lot more mass to withstand a wind and a storm.
[00:08:01] Gradido looks,
[00:08:03] on the success models of nature that have already proven themselves for four and a half billion years and that's very interesting so therefore society looks,
[00:08:16] more expectant.
[00:08:19] At this gathering photograph animal discipline in commerce bionics but location liquid body substance the reply ultimately,
[00:08:29] from nature they can only from nature so there's nothing that works so wonderfully,
[00:08:36] like nature there's a nice saying that any stupid boy can crush a bug but there's not a professor in the world that could build one.
[00:08:46] Research center for freethinkers one can say is the academy in Künzelsau,
[00:08:55] and that's where first of all I had the question Gradido or Gradido.
[00:09:03] That's kind of an art name,
[00:09:06] na is composed of just does he gratitude dignité would yes and donation which means gift or gift the now fits all that
[00:09:20] together for a new financial economy and monetary system,
[00:09:25] these three essential elements from nature.
[00:09:31] Now in nature there is gift economy so there is no money in nature that is a truism in nature every being lives according to its being.
[00:09:45] And if you will it gives to other beings and for example a flower gives to the bee pollen and nectar and so on,
[00:09:53] The bee then gives again,
[00:09:55] the nectar that she has collected within her hive then donates back to the community of the are all processes we come so,
[00:10:06] in the evolution from the old buy and pay which is just unnatural to a closet.
[00:10:14] And thanks and in the middle stands the one would the dignity of man is inviolable so's in the Basic Law earthquake and also rightly it stands there it's all about it economy is yes for people,
[00:10:29] made so that we humans can live a decent life together ne,
[00:10:36] and that again means it has to be really worthy.
[00:10:41] And that what we are experiencing right now on earth of course many people are living a dignified existence,
[00:10:48] but just the majority just unfortunately not two thirds of humanity live below the poverty line and then there can be no question of human dignity so far.
[00:10:57] Every day 25,000 people die in poverty so is totally sad and he always saddened me too honestly hear that number.
[00:11:07] And yeah yeah so that's really to end now especially as we humans,
[00:11:14] are able so about double the amount of people so now we have about that in just under 80 years there are different estimates but double to triple the amount of people we could have at their,
[00:11:26] even in organic high quality was no longer eat as much meat is clear,
[00:11:31] but you'll be healthier anyway if you eat less meat that is so we don't really have an over population problem right now.
[00:11:40] But rather a distribution problem that we.
[00:11:44] Making sure that everyone can live and above all in harmony with nature in harmony with nature ultimately means.
[00:11:53] Yes the circle of life as an economic model.
[00:11:58] The circle of life as an economic model quite accurately a common good currency as a happiness concept.
[00:12:06] That sounds good I haven't heard that before so a common good currency.
[00:12:14] Did the academy you developed with the Margrit.
[00:12:20] Exactly man contributes to the community so the idea with the common good currency is a so-called active basic income.
[00:12:28] Which is based on unconditional participation, which means that every person, no matter what age, can participate in the community, so they have a vested right to participate.
[00:12:41] And earning his active basic income for it.
[00:12:46] 20 Gradido per hour 50 hours a month that's how we designed it for now so that means a thousand Candido which is about as much as 1000 € for each person both for children adults and also for old people
[00:13:00] Whereas with the elderly, we even.
[00:13:03] Have a variable age limit built in so that old people have much more then basic income,
[00:13:11] can so the pension is also secured at curtains very very interesting also against the background of the discussion of the unconditional basic income so we have it here ultimately with a,
[00:13:23] active basic income ingredient exactly yes the unconditional basic income is yes,
[00:13:28] watering can principle so you go with the can no matter on all people the same amount so that is indeed
[00:13:38] first made sure or would be if something like that were introduced made sure that everyone has a certain amount of money a month
[00:13:46] but it's not taken care of yet and this is where the charm of active basic income starts that is.
[00:13:55] The active basic income encourages and challenges people, that is, everyone is allowed to contribute to the community with his or her gifts, with what he or she likes to do best,
[00:14:08] and the community has an interest in him seeing it done particularly well and there's a positive feedback effect,
[00:14:16] so that what I like to do and what I repeat more and more and where I'm also encouraged by the community I'm doing better and better that means that I'm always listening,
[00:14:27] Delivering quality talent is nurtured talent is nurtured yes we were also potential development.
[00:14:37] Deflation or inflation.
[00:14:41] Are then actually a thing of the past not so the economy is also you brought it up.
[00:14:50] Grow grow grow eat at model of Gradido freed from growth compulsion.
[00:14:57] Deflation Inflation is, if you like, an aberration in the old system because the old system is infragile and if it's not very clearly controlled,
[00:15:10] and it's impossible to tax it permanently.
[00:15:13] Then it slides in one direction or the other or sometimes even both at the same time so quite paradoxically this so-called stagflation.
[00:15:23] With Gradido, yes, it's a model based on nature,
[00:15:28] it's a self-regulating system which ensures that when the money supply increases...
[00:15:35] that by the fact that the transience is built in with that the money supply is soft also again always attached to the ideal values who one can say so is a.
[00:15:45] Dynamic equilibrium where there are also no bubbles which just naturally evolves and creates sustainable so.
[00:15:55] A flawed financial system exactly what we all don't want to have starvation poverty and war which they are about to expel.
[00:16:05] So what are the fatal flaws of the acute financial system 0 starts with flaw 1,
[00:16:15] that the current money about 97% of the money is so-called viral money that means it's going into accounts business in the form of numbers in the,
[00:16:27] Computer that wouldn't be bad so far bad are the rules after service is scooped I suppose it will be through debt business that is,
[00:16:36] all the assets in the world also have exactly the same amount of debt on the other side,
[00:16:43] and so it can't lead to prosperity for all then on the one hand the assets flow more and more concentrate on reaching a few.
[00:16:54] And on the other hand yes the rest of the world then I have to share the debt and that we humans don't realize it quite so clearly.
[00:17:06] Then if the states step in vicariously and therefore the national debt gets higher and higher then we have decades of compound interest as well,
[00:17:15] that is then the second mistake so although at the moment it is so maybe that already goes towards Gradido so moment is yes the,
[00:17:25] at least times the prime rate fluctuates around zero sometimes even with negative interest rates.
[00:17:32] That would be quite good under certain circumstances so if you really created a cycle of becoming and passing away.
[00:17:40] However, there are other multiplication mechanisms that work the interest and compound interest just by the other name it leads to,
[00:17:49] that the assets also grow exponentially logically then the debts also grow exponentially only III error is just the sum of both namely that the laws of nature,
[00:18:02] be disregarded
[00:18:03] the most important law of nature is the law of bern and perish we just talked about we would find other laws of nature or my they are now doing further research here in business bionics
[00:18:15] then you get to other points but the essence is actually that they are there cycle of becoming and passing away,
[00:18:21] which we already call in the vernacular the circle of life that is,
[00:18:27] that we as humans are aware that there is a cycle also we humans are transient we don't like to be transient but it's normal and nature takes care of that,
[00:18:38] that just as well.
[00:18:40] The right amount of everything there it's hot it's created so we're born and we pass away and when everything is in balance,
[00:18:49] then also about the right amount of plants and animals to people and so on there its self regulating system and that's just also a money system is completely neglected.
[00:19:02] Then nothing can grow in a limited space constantly anything would be felt now is actually sick is money in a.
[00:19:12] Sick pay and pull should actually be healthy money for a healthy world Bernd that is exactly our slogan healthy money for a healthy world we have the potential,
[00:19:26] Health to create by abolishing the disease talks to the economic sector which, incidentally, will also lead to the also.
[00:19:37] Our diseases so also human diseases decrease I once heard an interesting study that about 80% of all diseases are based on existential fear.
[00:19:51] Or at least be strongly influenced by existential angst that is when the existential angst goes away,
[00:19:58] then a large part of the diseases will simply also what I dissolve on with because the existential fear also leads to the fact that the immune system is weakened right,
[00:20:10] Immune system gets weakened
[00:20:12] was constantly stress man we know that so nowadays is already fashion was that one says how are you also am in stress there is positive stress but most is just negative stress caused by fear by existential fear.
[00:20:26] And also in nature it's a balance so there's this positive stress.
[00:20:31] But it must always be in balance that one also has relaxation phases so nature is just as when you run away it a mouse before a cat and law are soon they create then,
[00:20:44] she's going to rest for quite a while afterwards,
[00:20:47] can and must and that's why a mouse doesn't carry burnout now or apart is their because that's normal cycle between,
[00:20:56] short term stress the thing is over quickly and then there's this recovery period and it's also again,
[00:21:04] look like inhale exhale or circulation that's always are always the same principles yes that's balance that's just a natural person on his real quality of life.
[00:21:15] A quality of life city performance pressure as we know it,
[00:21:20] exactly instead of performance pressure so performance requirement is a beautiful thing beautiful yes not that also athletes may experience he also there it is so.
[00:21:31] The performance focuses on a moment well then peak performance is still accomplished,
[00:21:38] and then there's a relaxation phase as long as that's guaranteed that's not generally the case in professional life because we generally have permanent stress.
[00:21:50] And there the relaxation phases become less and less that is something like a latent stress and latent existential fear and nature is not built for that because there's something like that in nature nature there's no existence.
[00:22:03] They have this basic income.
[00:22:09] What about when you can no longer contribute to the common good because of health or age what happens to.
[00:22:18] The human.
[00:22:20] And basically what we're saying now is if a person can't contribute to the community for health reasons so that's,
[00:22:29] now already so that one yes then,
[00:22:32] a supply there read protection social protection live yes in a welfare state that will of course continue to exist at Gradido or a Gradido model.
[00:22:44] However, there is an extended thought namely,
[00:22:47] you need to be able to contribute if one can't contribute because of age for example now the question is what does contribute mean so there are old people who love to contribute in their own way.
[00:23:00] So an old man, for example, yes there can pass on his life experience to young people,
[00:23:06] yeah or she doesn't need her to work fast and much now take care of the grandchildren,
[00:23:12] you can take care of the grandchildren the grandchildren are totally grateful when grandma and grandpa are around that is so there are many opportunities where even old people can contribute.
[00:23:25] But without having to get into a pressure to perform now and it's interesting that,
[00:23:32] just old people also there's again investigation when you come right out of your working life unprepared into retirement,
[00:23:42] then there are many people who get sick.
[00:23:44] Because all of a sudden they don't have a task anymore and they can't deal with it that's why they advise that you prepare yourself for retirement and then pick out appropriate tasks in advance,
[00:23:58] and that's what's facilitated by active basic income by being able to safely contribute to the community and also foster the community and indeed enter old age of course when one no longer,
[00:24:09] it can be quite clear that the supply is always guaranteed how is the money distributed.
[00:24:17] The Gradido or active basic income in general how does it resonate with people,
[00:24:25] General is that a process man there so within a community that can so for example one,
[00:24:32] yes if the village community that could be and of course by neighborhoods or so you specify what do I do in the community maybe there's also something like a community school where you discuss what are the things,
[00:24:46] that should be done.
[00:24:49] And see who can and who likes to do that house you can distribute that and as soon as someone has done something for the community then it's confirmed by trusted people.
[00:25:02] And at that moment from an account so bear the money now scoops whether that's the former tax office or whether that's the residents' registration office or a specially created it's evening.
[00:25:13] Or whether it's the central bank it's ultimately yes just a purely administrative process is important you get involved.
[00:25:22] And documented what do I do for the community in parallel comes this creation process the money is created as a credit business at Gradido is about is quite important there is no debt created for it.
[00:25:33] At Gradido there is only credit creation there is so there is no taxes there is no taxes right ne that's next.
[00:25:43] Because we have namely designed a triple money creation so 3 x 1000 Gradido will be for each person in the month business equals about €3000 equals about €3000.
[00:25:56] And the first 1000 are as I said us active basic income the second for.
[00:26:02] State budget we could also say community house stop then we people live in communities,
[00:26:09] however the communities develop now at the moment we have countries start and so on it can develop but also times differently and III and very essential point is the balance and
[00:26:20] environmental fund again in the same amount as the state budget.
[00:26:25] As the name implies, it is used to clean up the environment,
[00:26:31] can be used to switch the transmission to organic production then can,
[00:26:39] be used the overdue remediation healthy BB
[00:26:44] the oceans are full of plastic at the moment so that one consciously cleans up the oceans here or that one hosts the rainforests again and so on.
[00:26:54] Because the utilization environment before is as high as the national budget and then all the countries join in it is as high as all the national budgets in the world put together and talking about the amount a national budget is too about as we know it in Germany.
[00:27:09] So then what is the essence of Gradido so to me it's actually a peaceful transformation of the monetary system,
[00:27:19] you can say that so it's really about a peaceful transformation steam saw a gentle way it can also be gently introduced in parallel,
[00:27:29] must ans now not a you yet give where one says from tomorrow is Gradido should one can,
[00:27:33] start very gently with 10% Gradido portion and then yes later times the 20% and so on so that we can get used to it and gently,
[00:27:44] the new insert that can be both cash and digital money,
[00:27:49] so it works with any payment method digital money is comparatively easy to make these days we also have model for cash,
[00:27:58] whereas if you see now how the tendency is cash will lose more and more importance from the side of Gradido both is possible.
[00:28:09] Let's go back to your academy for a second.
[00:28:16] It is a free international research network.
[00:28:23] We are so interconnected in 12 the world has become a village so we have people growing together solutions of this magnitude should really be strived for internationally as well,
[00:28:34] Even though Kathi you is designed so that even individual countries can start softly at first,
[00:28:41] then I can assume that you continue all the countries there afterwards you can start in individual.
[00:28:47] The research network is international and the website is in all languages, for example, it's all about bringing the solution to the world now that the world needs it so badly.
[00:29:01] Well how does it look with the richest of the rich if the now quasi so the billionaires the billionaires can hear about it the at all what with Gradido.
[00:29:14] Start you may even have a benefit if you join yes I could imagine them saying.
[00:29:23] I don't have to be afraid that I will lose my fortune, on the contrary, I can do something good.
[00:29:31] That's just with mentally healthy people they want to do something good, so first of all independent of the wealth that you only have.
[00:29:40] Or not has so the need to do something good have all people and therefore we assume because no one has disadvantage,
[00:29:49] so even the rich people don't have a disadvantage in the sense of well they might have a little less power but doesn't necessarily make it quality of life.
[00:30:00] When it comes to quality of life we have more security for example so nowadays there are really rich ghettos,
[00:30:08] where the children have to be brought to school with bodyguards simply because they live so dangerously to imagine this time when there is no more poverty.
[00:30:18] Then the aggression potential of the people is almost zero if all people are doing well.
[00:30:24] Then there's maybe a few that are pathological criminals but this poverty related criminality that yes leads to mafia structures and all kinds.
[00:30:33] Practicing endings leads to getting, of course.
[00:30:36] That falls away the moment everybody is wealthy so wealthy to a healthy degree and that also benefits the wealthy people.
[00:30:47] So it means as I understood it that Gradido loses its value about 50% over the year,
[00:30:58] now could times first yes times say yes moment now I lose yes half of my fortune not what does one with its fortune if it actually.
[00:31:07] Cut in half in the year yes so,
[00:31:12] so it will be half similar to the negative interest rate will be debited in the background so continuously now not on the specific date otherwise is always debited a little bit then can imagine that so similar in negative interest.
[00:31:27] Yeah what do you do then.
[00:31:29] Just do what you shouldn't do with money which is to put it where it's needed in practice,
[00:31:38] you give credit for example to someone who just at the moment a project plan the project can also be that a project is not a separate company it can be that someone or just needs money because I have a time out,
[00:31:51] so life plan design is becoming more flexible than there are many reasons where you can help other people with a loan,
[00:32:01] and the person will then pay back the money at the agreed time or in installments or however it is agreed,
[00:32:09] that can then also financial institutions do the mediation and also secure the thing with default insurance what is there always appealing contracts of course.
[00:32:20] And that just means in terms of active basic income.
[00:32:25] I can also do something else if I want to earn more money then I do that then understandable so the active basic income is a base.
[00:32:33] It's first of all it's optional or you don't have to do it.
[00:32:37] May you help so every person has the right if you but now do something else professionally and possibly earn much more than 20 gradido an hour,
[00:32:48] but maybe say yes well I don't have time now for the active basic income but it can also serve as a base and then you can in the remaining time so 50 hours a month about two hours.
[00:33:02] day and the rest of the time you can do whatever you want in addition and the nice thing is,
[00:33:08] it's tax free so any kind of professional work is tax free that means what you earned for yourself,
[00:33:16] you'll have that and you also don't have to do a lot of bookkeeping on there less stress less pressure less bureaucracy,
[00:33:25] And if you think about it a family of four has 4000 Gradido every month.
[00:33:34] Tax free,
[00:33:35] right so in the forum of the active basic income for all if all four now participates in the unconditional participation and it can of course also make children in a child-friendly way of course then the,
[00:33:49] 4000 Gradido worth and the parents can go about the want to do business or professional.
[00:34:00] In doing so, we come back to the beginning over 20 years ago yes.
[00:34:07] You have in this two decades you have him are two decades.
[00:34:13] Incredibly much experienced I can imagine at the beginning you were very ridiculed.
[00:34:21] In times of Corona crisis I think you will be taken seriously with this Gradido Academy.
[00:34:29] Yes that's a nice development so we can now experience as it went actually even before the Corona crisis in Rust in the first years as you said we were ridiculed maybe that was also a protection I times on the one hand.
[00:34:43] May we evolve humanly we have been allowed to refine the Gradido model more and more.
[00:34:51] And when you come up with such unusual ideas.
[00:34:54] And too quickly grows up then you can also very quickly then you can be attacked for or pigeonholed that all takes a time.
[00:35:05] It's been a solid development times 20 years is a long time there were also great dry spells in retrospect I must say I am totally grateful and I think also Margit sees though that from first four both.
[00:35:20] Really had the time to fuck around intensively and research also means always questioning in that case.
[00:35:27] So not only because sometimes you had it great idea now to fall in love with your own idea was always questioning is it actually right can that be can work so meanwhile we have about,
[00:35:38] 100 possible benefits of Gradido may work out or have seen actually in each,
[00:35:45] life situation and every economic situation everyone has an advantage,
[00:35:51] our main ethical basis is yes the triple well that is everything that is decided everything that is done within the natural economy of life,
[00:36:01] must serve the good of the individual well of the individual,
[00:36:05] we have you and me so not only me but both of us there it stops already the economy so in the economy one is already quite happy when there is win-win situation so when both parts are doing well,
[00:36:18] but II where is it well the community it must therefore be well the community.
[00:36:23] And im on the grand scheme of things you can say nature.
[00:36:28] Because it doesn't make sense that we do business with each other where we end up sawing off the branch that they're sitting on by working against nature.
[00:36:39] And so it's really WINWIN so you can say multivan or omni winch omni if yes profit and meanwhile there's already 4000 supporter members,
[00:36:52] that follow the idea it has even become more and it will also then not more and that pleases us of course enormously.
[00:37:01] The Candido Network is growing and.
[00:37:04] Yeah people once they understand it really go on with joy and stuff,
[00:37:11] spreads as a gradido you can almost say which one has time like now like a positive happiness virus and we are very happy about that.
[00:37:21] Dear Bernd thank you very much for this podcast premiere and your introduction.
[00:37:30] Into the theme Gradido the natural economy of life.
[00:37:35] Next, we'll turn to the topic of artists and journalists.
[00:37:42]The garage in this global Corona crisis are particularly hard hit as are many others.
[00:37:52] So for our podcast, we're always going to pick very current topics from all areas of society.
[00:38:01] Then to present solution-oriented answers from Gradido Academy with prominent experts.
[00:38:10] For those who want to learn more about Gradido, it's best to take a look.
[00:38:16] To the website www.grado.it.
[00:38:21] Which by now you've already said it in a whopping 11 languages prezenty.
[00:38:30] There's also, of course, the opportunity here to get involved through membership or grant opportunities.
[00:38:38] Thank you so much, always, that's incredible.
[00:38:43] What the academy put up just in time.
[00:38:51] It remains for both of us to wish all Gradido comrades-in-arms continued happiness for.
[00:38:59] A healthy money in a healthy world see you soon Michael.